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Post by Jimmyk » Tue Feb 10, 2015 9:33 am

So cars from the 80's and 90's will deter you from buying one now? Cars, during that time frame, were junk as a rule. Sheet metal, paint, frames, engines, transmissions all had issues from many or even all manufactures. Going by your logic I sure as heck wouldn't buy another Ford based on what I saw with my 87 Ford Escort!! THAT, was a crap car!!!!

Based on my personal experience with my 2008 Honda Civic, it's a great brand! Again, I LOVE my Taurus!! If it lasts the long haul, I will buy another, if it doesn't, it will be my last!! Quite simple logic.
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Post by Tater » Wed Feb 11, 2015 5:34 pm

Jimmyk wrote:So cars from the 80's and 90's will deter you from buying one now? Cars, during that time frame, were junk as a rule. Sheet metal, paint, frames, engines, transmissions all had issues from many or even all manufactures. Going by your logic I sure as heck wouldn't buy another Ford based on what I saw with my 87 Ford Escort!! THAT, was a crap car!!!!

Based on my personal experience with my 2008 Honda Civic, it's a great brand! Again, I LOVE my Taurus!! If it lasts the long haul, I will buy another, if it doesn't, it will be my last!! Quite simple logic.
Oh, the Hondas I was speaking about were waaay before that...lol... But on the Escort you are comparing it to a $17K 83 Supra..???
And as I understand most folks that own the newer Hondas are satisfied... I didn't mean to start an argument... Might be an age thing, or why I ride a Harley and not a Cowasaki,i I'm out...
Have a good one...Tater...
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Re: Traded my 2014 Lmtd. Taurus today...

Post by Jimmyk » Thu Feb 12, 2015 9:21 am

Tater wrote:
Jimmyk wrote:So cars from the 80's and 90's will deter you from buying one now? Cars, during that time frame, were junk as a rule. Sheet metal, paint, frames, engines, transmissions all had issues from many or even all manufactures. Going by your logic I sure as heck wouldn't buy another Ford based on what I saw with my 87 Ford Escort!! THAT, was a crap car!!!!

Based on my personal experience with my 2008 Honda Civic, it's a great brand! Again, I LOVE my Taurus!! If it lasts the long haul, I will buy another, if it doesn't, it will be my last!! Quite simple logic.
Oh, the Hondas I was speaking about were waaay before that...lol... But on the Escort you are comparing it to a $17K 83 Supra..???
And as I understand most folks that own the newer Hondas are satisfied... I didn't mean to start an argument... Might be an age thing, or why I ride a Harley and not a Cowasaki,i I'm out...
Have a good one...Tater...
I'm not arguing, nor am I comparing anything. I base my current and future car purchases on like/dislikes as well as past, personal experiences. "And as I understand most folks that own the newer Hondas are satisfied..." is what I am talking about. You are correct, everyone I talk to that owns Hondas love them. My experience with two Hondas have been very positive. I purchased my Taurus because it is a really nice car that fit squarely in my budget. A 2014 Honda Accord EXL was too expensive.

If my Taurus fails, (as I expect it will) I will buy Honda. I hope it doesn't fail because I want an SHO next! LOL
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Post by Tater » Thu Feb 12, 2015 3:19 pm

Jimmyk wrote:
Tater wrote:
Jimmyk wrote:So cars from the 80's and 90's will deter you from buying one now? Cars, during that time frame, were junk as a rule. Sheet metal, paint, frames, engines, transmissions all had issues from many or even all manufactures. Going by your logic I sure as heck wouldn't buy another Ford based on what I saw with my 87 Ford Escort!! THAT, was a crap car!!!!
I didn't mean to start an argument... Might be an age thing, or why I ride a Harley and not a Cowasaki,i I'm out...
Have a good one...Tater...
If my Taurus fails, (as I expect it will) I will buy Honda. I hope it doesn't fail because I want an SHO next! LOL
What part of the above underlined do you not understand...??? I'm done after this...
You are buying a car that you expect to fail...??? I sure don't expect the 2015 Taurus Limited (+/-$42K MSRP) to fail, if I did I would run as fast as I could and cancel the order (immediately if not sooner)...
I suggest if you want to argue with someone, pick someone your own age... I'm gone...
Have a good one...Tater...
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Post by Derick » Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:01 pm

Funny that you're talking about hondas. Just for grins I was looking at manual tranny hondas out there. There are some private sales of 13 and 14 accords that I could have gotten for my taurus. I wish I would have done some more pricing before my impulse buy of the taurus.

And I ride a kawasaki.......wont ride a harley if my life depended on it... :P

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Post by Jimmyk » Fri Feb 13, 2015 9:39 am

I didn't mean to start an argument... Might be an age thing, or why I ride a Harley and not a Cowasaki,i I'm out...
Have a good one...Tater...[/quote]

If my Taurus fails, (as I expect it will) I will buy Honda. I hope it doesn't fail because I want an SHO next! LOL [/quote][/quote]
What part of the above underlined do you not understand...??? I'm done after this...
You are buying a car that you expect to fail...??? I sure don't expect the 2015 Taurus Limited (+/-$42K MSRP) to fail, if I did I would run as fast as I could and cancel the order (immediately if not sooner)...
I suggest if you want to argue with someone, pick someone your own age... I'm gone...
Have a good one...Tater...[/quote]

You're too funny, for someone who doesn't want to argue you sure do keep on, keeping on. What does age have to do with it anyways? It's not like your having a discussion with a 12 year old. I'm 37, I assume you're older, age doesn't play a part in this discussion. What I understand is you want the last word because you're older. You think you're right because you have been suckin wind longer? While I do respect my elders, I also take things with a grain of salt when it's needed.

I have made my case and stated logical reasons why I brought my Taurus and why, when/if it fails I will be done with American cars. You got offended, it wasn't meant to offend. I also stated I hope my car doesn't fail, I don't want to turn my back on American cars. I spoke of newer Hondas, you talk about 20-30 year old vehicles and Harleys.

I'm a manufacturing engineer in an automotive company. I understand how it works. I know how many of the processes function to build cars. So when I say I expect it to fail it's coming from knowledge of the industry and how things like cost savings and unions cheapens most, if not all American and some foreign vehicles.
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Post by Jimmyk » Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:21 pm

Then I came across this thread!! HAHAHA feeling validated!!

First off I want to say I have ONLY owned a Taurus 2013 SHO PP for approx. 4 months now and am I ever disappointed that I traded in my HONDA ACCORD for this car.
I bought the SHO it was in the show room and I loved the car from first time we just sat in it. Once I test drove it I bought it. It had some major paint issues that the paint had a bunch, on the driver side door, the inside step on passanger, rear passanger, drivers side, rear bumper, rear trunk, front area of hood and some other places paint issues. The dealer advised not to paint the car because they could not bake it as hot but could paint it. I had some areas painted but not all. So I had ford put an undercoating under it and they messed up the chrome tail exhausts by spraying on them and have YET to fix that. They say each time they will but has yet to happen. They painted it and I waited almost 50 days to get a diamond coat put on it by ford and they burnt the paint with a buffer, making white streaks in the paint. They are now fixing that BUT when they did they now messed up the bumper and have to paint that. When they sprayed the inside with the 3m they ripped the steering wheel (leather) and it had to get fixed. Ford said it was my fault but they had it in the shop and I reported it as soon as I went to pick up the car. Ford is saying that I did not let them know that the day of purchase. They are the ones that put the spray on. Then as part of the contract they were supposed to tint the windows and guess what...YEP they put the wrong tint on the windows. Now I am having to live with it because unless I pay someone to re do it I do not TRUST FORD to do it again. It was supposed to be 35 in front and 5 in back but yet they put 18 in the back. Not sure what part of the contract they did not read but it did and still does say to put 5 on the back. ...Ford service rep called me and said for some of the paint issues they will give me a maint package but hey 3 years or 45000 miles ok. but once I took the car in and asked to get synthetic they told me that the regular oil is good enough. Not sure when ford decides how much money I spend.
Now I have a vacuum leak coming from the vacuum hose and not sure they will fix that.

On another note I took my 2006 Expedition to get a seal replaced and when they did the ripped some of the paint off and what I got from the service rep is "what do you want me to do it happens" and so after speaking to the manager he had the paint shop touch it up with touch up paint. HAHAHAHA it looks like crap. But what is a customer supposed to do guess just live with it like everything else.

So sorry to say all of this we have loved our ford expedition and our car but with all of this. Maybe its time to look at another brand and another dealership. Once they get done not sure what I want to do. Wish now I could have kept my HONDA.

Any ideas or help that you all could provide would be awesome. Taking it back to the dealer not sure what that will do. Now my Expedition is messed up and so is my SHO.

Oh yeah since it had summer tires on it I also bought some all seasons and the Michelin A/S3 103W were not cheap by any means but handle and are awesome tires. I will post some pics to show paint and so forth
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Post by Domain » Fri Feb 13, 2015 4:14 pm

Man, this thread is hotter than an overheating Ecoboost.

You may have had a bad dealer. When I took delivery of my 2014, before even taking it off the lot, I discovered a number of scratches--someone was careless with a snow scraper it seemed like. I made a note. It had to go back a couple of times because their "new" paint booth kept crashing out on other cars. (He said he could try mine, but left it alone for fear that if you're going to screw up a car, don't make it the most discerning customer's in the bunch.)

There we some other details as well.. but I have to say, when they got the paint done finally, they got it PERFECT. I was extremely happy. It was a very small dealership, but their body shop manager who did the paint was top notch. I'd have him do more work if he were closer.

Today the car has 22,xxx miles on it and I couldn't be happier. The only issue I can recall having at the moment, apart from delivery drama, were the plate lights failing. So far, even those have been solid.

I absolutely love this car. It'll be hard to trade when it's time.
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Post by jackusa » Fri Feb 13, 2015 10:00 pm

Interesting thread...I had a leak in my sunroof that required a fair amount of fighting with Ford, as they stated all of their sunroofs leak a bit under heavy water load. Also had some suspension issues, roads in my area are pretty bad so that might have helped....I have 15k miles on mine. The latest is...if the car idles for 10min+ - typical for winter - the engine knocks badly....we'll see what happens with this one.
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Post by Domain » Sat Feb 14, 2015 9:29 am

jackusa wrote:The latest is...if the car idles for 10min+ - typical for winter - the engine knocks badly....we'll see what happens with this one.
Got a video? I can say that mine's whisper quiet, 22k, and driven well below zero yesterday without drama.
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Post by Jimmyk » Sat Feb 14, 2015 10:48 am

jackusa wrote:Interesting thread...I had a leak in my sunroof that required a fair amount of fighting with Ford, as they stated all of their sunroofs leak a bit under heavy water load. Also had some suspension issues, roads in my area are pretty bad so that might have helped....I have 15k miles on mine. The latest is...if the car idles for 10min+ - typical for winter - the engine knocks badly....we'll see what happens with this one.
Engine knock? Cooool, something to look forward to!

I know I'm being a bit of a negative nelly(realist?) in this thread but I'm not reading a lot of great things about these cars. So far, so good with mine but I'm waiting for the inevitable...

This morning I turned on my turn signal and I wasn't paying attention but I sware I heard a click in the dash and the speedo cluster went out for a split second. Maybe I was seeing things??
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Post by jackusa » Sat Feb 14, 2015 5:04 pm

Domain wrote:
jackusa wrote:The latest is...if the car idles for 10min+ - typical for winter - the engine knocks badly....we'll see what happens with this one.
Got a video? I can say that mine's whisper quiet, 22k, and driven well below zero yesterday without drama.
No need for videos yet as it has happened only twice and under a specific situation - it isn't cold enough outside right now for me to reproduce as well -, but I did record a video for the stupid noise the car makes when going 60mph...that one Ford has no idea how to resolve but I did find some good info here and will bring it forward to my dealer.
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Post by Domain » Sat Feb 14, 2015 5:43 pm

Jimmyk wrote:
jackusa wrote:Interesting thread...I had a leak in my sunroof that required a fair amount of fighting with Ford, as they stated all of their sunroofs leak a bit under heavy water load. Also had some suspension issues, roads in my area are pretty bad so that might have helped....I have 15k miles on mine. The latest is...if the car idles for 10min+ - typical for winter - the engine knocks badly....we'll see what happens with this one.
Engine knock? Cooool, something to look forward to!

I know I'm being a bit of a negative nelly(realist?) in this thread but I'm not reading a lot of great things about these cars. So far, so good with mine but I'm waiting for the inevitable...
Keep in mind that we are a very SMALL sample set of users here. Some of us have had no real problems (I'm among them, and I usually have bad car luck), a few of us have had minor rattle issues (if hard to track), and so far, ONE user has had a knock with the Duratec 35. Keep in mind that with some variation, this engine has been used since MY 2008 in the Taurus and Edge vehicles, among others. It's been one of Ford's more bullet proof exceptions, so I wouldn't lose all hope with a single user of hundreds of thousands of engines having a problem.
This morning I turned on my turn signal and I wasn't paying attention but I sware I heard a click in the dash and the speedo cluster went out for a split second. Maybe I was seeing things??
Have your battery checked. If you want to avoid the stealership despite warranty (although Quick Lane has a free battery check coupon, usually), any autoparts store should be able to help.

The Motorcraft batteries in these things, for whatever reason that I can't understand, have had more than the occasional bad cell within them.
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Post by jackusa » Sun Feb 15, 2015 9:18 am

Domain wrote:
Jimmyk wrote:
jackusa wrote:Interesting thread...I had a leak in my sunroof that required a fair amount of fighting with Ford, as they stated all of their sunroofs leak a bit under heavy water load. Also had some suspension issues, roads in my area are pretty bad so that might have helped....I have 15k miles on mine. The latest is...if the car idles for 10min+ - typical for winter - the engine knocks badly....we'll see what happens with this one.
Engine knock? Cooool, something to look forward to!

I know I'm being a bit of a negative nelly(realist?) in this thread but I'm not reading a lot of great things about these cars. So far, so good with mine but I'm waiting for the inevitable...
Keep in mind that we are a very SMALL sample set of users here. Some of us have had no real problems (I'm among them, and I usually have bad car luck), a few of us have had minor rattle issues (if hard to track), and so far, ONE user has had a knock with the Duratec 35. Keep in mind that with some variation, this engine has been used since MY 2008 in the Taurus and Edge vehicles, among others. It's been one of Ford's more bullet proof exceptions, so I wouldn't lose all hope with a single user of hundreds of thousands of engines having a problem.
This morning I turned on my turn signal and I wasn't paying attention but I sware I heard a click in the dash and the speedo cluster went out for a split second. Maybe I was seeing things??
Have your battery checked. If you want to avoid the stealership despite warranty (although Quick Lane has a free battery check coupon, usually), any autoparts store should be able to help.

The Motorcraft batteries in these things, for whatever reason that I can't understand, have had more than the occasional bad cell within them.
I agree on the engine issue....I am honestly not worried, besides I have a 5y extended warranty that's supposed to cover everything. What I hate the most thought is having to take the car to the dealer for these little things...it is such an annoyance that I might just buy a Lexus in the next year or so! Is it so hard to make a car that will require only visits for oil changes and minor adjustments?
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Post by Domain » Sun Feb 15, 2015 6:06 pm

Believe me, I understand the grievance but I feel that your conclusions that any other automaker would do better may be misplaced. And I do stress "may," certainly not a... well, certainty.

Take the battery, for example.

Only a handful of manufacturers make batteries. Most retailers simply add their label onto something made by one of the handful of manufacturers. Johnson Controls, for example, is the party responsible for making the batteries that carry the Motorcraft brand. JC could have manufactured a bad battery that could be in any number of vehicles, including Lexus.

Most of my failures from any vehicle(of which the Taurus, admirably, has been free from in my case, with the exception of the recalled plate lamps!) have arisen from parts that were subcontracted out to a smaller manufacturer. Major components... engine, transmission, major braking components (except I used to run through rotors pretty hardcore) have been flawless since I began driving a decade ago.

In any event, the point is that the economics of cars make that a goal but very different to guarantee. Ford can ensure QA all day long, but the actions of its suppliers--of which it must and does accept responsibility for--are only as good as the commitment of the supplier.

At the end of the day, to some extent, we're buying parts that were manufacturered by the lowest bidder.

Just food for thought. Happy (and trouble free) motoring.
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jackusa wrote:Interesting thread...I had a leak in my sunroof that required a fair amount of fighting with Ford, as they stated all of their sunroofs leak a bit under heavy water load. Also had some suspension issues, roads in my area are pretty bad so that might have helped....I have 15k miles on mine. The latest is...if the car idles for 10min+ - typical for winter - the engine knocks badly....we'll see what happens with this one.
Hello jackusa,

I’m happy to get this escalated for you. Please make an appointment with your Ford Dealer and PM me with your, VIN, dealer, mileage, full name, and best daytime number. I’ll loop in a customer service manager for you.

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Post by Jimmyk » Wed Feb 18, 2015 3:37 pm

Domain wrote:
Jimmyk wrote:
jackusa wrote:Interesting thread...I had a leak in my sunroof that required a fair amount of fighting with Ford, as they stated all of their sunroofs leak a bit under heavy water load. Also had some suspension issues, roads in my area are pretty bad so that might have helped....I have 15k miles on mine. The latest is...if the car idles for 10min+ - typical for winter - the engine knocks badly....we'll see what happens with this one.
Engine knock? Cooool, something to look forward to!

I know I'm being a bit of a negative nelly(realist?) in this thread but I'm not reading a lot of great things about these cars. So far, so good with mine but I'm waiting for the inevitable...
Keep in mind that we are a very SMALL sample set of users here. Some of us have had no real problems (I'm among them, and I usually have bad car luck), a few of us have had minor rattle issues (if hard to track), and so far, ONE user has had a knock with the Duratec 35. Keep in mind that with some variation, this engine has been used since MY 2008 in the Taurus and Edge vehicles, among others. It's been one of Ford's more bullet proof exceptions, so I wouldn't lose all hope with a single user of hundreds of thousands of engines having a problem.
This morning I turned on my turn signal and I wasn't paying attention but I sware I heard a click in the dash and the speedo cluster went out for a split second. Maybe I was seeing things??
Have your battery checked. If you want to avoid the stealership despite warranty (although Quick Lane has a free battery check coupon, usually), any autoparts store should be able to help.

The Motorcraft batteries in these things, for whatever reason that I can't understand, have had more than the occasional bad cell within them.
Yes, I do understand these have been reliable engines, I was being sarcastic more than anything.

I'm still not sure I really saw the speedo cluster flicker, and it hasn't done it since(if it even did it in the first place). I actually knew about the bad battery issue before I bought my car. I may just replace it with an Exide and call it a day.
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Post by Jimmyk » Wed Feb 18, 2015 3:41 pm

Domain wrote:Believe me, I understand the grievance but I feel that your conclusions that any other automaker would do better may be misplaced. And I do stress "may," certainly not a... well, certainty.

Take the battery, for example.

Only a handful of manufacturers make batteries. Most retailers simply add their label onto something made by one of the handful of manufacturers. Johnson Controls, for example, is the party responsible for making the batteries that carry the Motorcraft brand. JC could have manufactured a bad battery that could be in any number of vehicles, including Lexus.

Most of my failures from any vehicle(of which the Taurus, admirably, has been free from in my case, with the exception of the recalled plate lamps!) have arisen from parts that were subcontracted out to a smaller manufacturer. Major components... engine, transmission, major braking components (except I used to run through rotors pretty hardcore) have been flawless since I began driving a decade ago.

In any event, the point is that the economics of cars make that a goal but very different to guarantee. Ford can ensure QA all day long, but the actions of its suppliers--of which it must and does accept responsibility for--are only as good as the commitment of the supplier.

At the end of the day, to some extent, we're buying parts that were manufacturered by the lowest bidder.

Just food for thought. Happy (and trouble free) motoring.
I'm certainly not hoping my $20,000 car craps out. But, unfortunately, it won't surprise me if something semi-major/major happens. As I have stated while chatting with tater, I hope my car lasts the long haul, I really like this car!
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Post by jackusa » Wed Feb 18, 2015 11:44 pm

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jackusa wrote:Interesting thread...I had a leak in my sunroof that required a fair amount of fighting with Ford, as they stated all of their sunroofs leak a bit under heavy water load. Also had some suspension issues, roads in my area are pretty bad so that might have helped....I have 15k miles on mine. The latest is...if the car idles for 10min+ - typical for winter - the engine knocks badly....we'll see what happens with this one.
Hello jackusa,

I’m happy to get this escalated for you. Please make an appointment with your Ford Dealer and PM me with your, VIN, dealer, mileage, full name, and best daytime number. I’ll loop in a customer service manager for you.

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Appreciate the offer but I know exactly what my dealer will say: 'sorry we can't find the problem, can you please reproduce it?'

It is the standard answer for everything...they cooked me up for 3 visit to the dealer before finding the issue and I wasted $600 bucks in wages - yeah my hour is expensive!

I feel like technicians are either getting dumb or they don't give a rat's hole! So unless I can specifically reproduce it, I won't be wasting my time going back and forth...in the mean time, who knows what's going on inside the engine....
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Post by FordCustomerService » Thu Feb 19, 2015 9:57 am

jackusa wrote:Appreciate the offer but I know exactly what my dealer will say: 'sorry we can't find the problem, can you please reproduce it?'

It is the standard answer for everything...they cooked me up for 3 visit to the dealer before finding the issue and I wasted $600 bucks in wages - yeah my hour is expensive!

I feel like technicians are either getting dumb or they don't give a rat's hole! So unless I can specifically reproduce it, I won't be wasting my time going back and forth...in the mean time, who knows what's going on inside the engine....
I understand, jackusa. You are always welcome to bring it in to any Ford Dealer in your area. Let me know what next steps you choose to take.

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